Can someone explain to me how my state got everything else right for the most part but went stupid for this one?
Literally, let’s inspect little girls privates, but not boys, because 10 trans students exist and MIGHT want to play sports with their friends? Jesus.
It was also kind of disgusting that literally all our state initiatives were funded by a 1%-er, Brian Heywood and his Let’s Go Washingtion PAC.
Edit: couple transphobes showing their colors here. Not only do they have a bad understanding of how hormones affect the body, degrading muscle mass and bone density in trans women for example, it also is just a dog whistle and avoids the real issue.
Segregating trans folk from sports is just another way to demoralize and dehumanize a small subset of the population. “If you’re not trans, you can play sports with your friends. You’re not really a girl/boy anyway.” It’s disgusting. Do we need trans drinking fountains too? It’s attempting to instill these thoughts into children. In children’s sports. Which are just kids playing together and enjoying their lives. It SHOULD NOT MATTER if a boy plays soccer with a girl or a girl plays football with a boy. Let kids be fucking kids. Ask kids after they play with each other if one of them should be excluded. The kids understand it better than the adults pushing narratives who often don’t even have children. The kids just want to play together and do a better job of being accepting in group play than these conservative, lonely incels.
All male sports athletes should just play with their dicks out. Only way to be sure.
Pass legislation and call it the Humans Actually Requiring Athletic Male Body Exhibition law.
Just like in Ancient Greece, who were famously vehement anti-pedophiles.
Fix the timeline…
That’s how swimming used to be back in the 50s. Kinda fucked up how adamant parents were to keep it that way at the time.
Pretty sure a lot of republicans would vote for that…
We won the war but lost the battle… Also this is sure to get sued and challenged as it’s a direct discrimination based on sex and title IX prohibits that shit
The State Constitution also prohibits this. It will hopefully never take effect because a state court must shut this down.
It wouldn’t be the first right-wing ballot initiative to go directly into the trash in this state.
The war is ongoing make no mistake.
Relax everyone. Conservatives only want to inspect the athletic girls’ genitals. It’s not like they are trying to look at non-athletic girls or even naked boys. That would be gross and immoral.
Each young, athletic girl who has genitals that are capable of passing a detailed inspection with a rating of 7 out of 10 or higher will be permitted to play girl-sports in public for everyone to look at, record and enjoy. And to prevent any criticism from the libs, all genital inspections will need to be video recorded. For safety of course. And then reviewed by men who are officially qualified as authentic conservatives. For safety. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
Why are genital exams required? Don’t they already already have a copy of everones birth certificate?
Genital exams are required because conservatives are pedophiles. It really is that simple.
FUN FACT: Conservatives are biologically unable to experience empathy. This is why they are unable to view women or children as humans. Humanizing others requires empathy.
A statement from your doctor does not mean a genital exam. I have to get a statement from my doctor for my son to go to summer camp that says he has no physical limitations. That part of the new rules is no big deal. The discussion should be about rights, not this hyperbolic calling everyone a pedo.
Hey now, that’s not fair. It’s not hyperbolic to call conservatives pedophiles. It is a fact that they chose a proud and well known child predator as their best representative out of everyone else in the nation.
They chose him as their most accurate representation three times over a decade, knowing full well that he “likes 'em young”, likes to go into teen dressing rooms uninvited so he can see them nude, and grabs women by their genitals without consent. According to conservatives themselves, no one more accurately represents them than Trump. No one.
It’s not just Trump. Conservatives consistently choose child predators as their most accurate representatives. I think its disrespectful to conservatives to ignore their chosen avatars. They insist on aligning with pedophiles and we should respect that choice and refer to them as such.
This just adds another barrier and pathway to abuse to women’s sports
That’s the point! Brian Heywood wants girls and women to avoid playing sports.
Transphobia comes from misogyny, they want to hurt both the cis girls and the trans girls.
That is very disappointing like when CA passed Prop 8, and it went down in flames later because these things are wrong, and target people. That’s not liberty and justice for all and will fall eventually too.
This dumb bullshit better get overturned ffs
Kind of weird how people claim to love democracy but want to overturn the will of its voters when its something they disagree with.
Funny enough this one passing really goes to show how stupid most voters seem to be in WA now.
They literally want to overturn one law they voted for years ago and they want to have a state supreme court who have all agreed that the incoming millionaire tax can go ahead even if it breaks the states constitution.
The state Dems need some real DSA competition because at this point it’s all pointing towards corporatacy with a veiled control of an oligarchy.
I would ask our WA incumbents to reveal their minutes behind closed doors with lobbyists and full financial disclosures to be reviewed by a non political backed watchdog but the very same court we just voted in said “go pound cold wet sand”
Nah its not weird to want to overturn stupid harmful bullshit built on bigoted misinformation.
Democracy isn’t JUST voting for things and dealing with it. It’s the entire process within which there are mechanisms to overturn dumb illegal bullshit. Bullshit like subjecting young girls to molestation to soothe nazi hysteria.
Agreed with more DSA reps though no argument there.
Hey it’s the guy that voted Yes on repealing the millionaires tax in Washington. I wonder what other initiatives from Brian Heywood you voted Yes on. Maybe this one?
Going against a misleading discriminatory bill is not “going against the will of the people”. It’s funny that you’d say that, and in the same breath complain about the millionaire’s tax that you voted to repeal failing.
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The user you responded to exists to shit on the WA legislature, and let the Washington Lemmy community know they voted to repeal the millionaire tax. They’re more upset about that failing than the anti trans one passing.
Yeah, and this is why being an informed voter is so difficult. There was one initiative on my ballot that was worded like “create funding for programs to reduce homelessness.” Sounds nice, right? Sounds progressive? Sounds like something I’d want, for sure!
After googling it, it was basically just giving tons of money to cops… So that the cops can buy new tactical gear, to march into homeless camps like jackboots and beat the shit out of homeless people while torching all of their stuff. But sure, it’s “reducing homelessness.” I guess if we tear down the homeless camps and violently chase all of the homeless people out of town, there are no more homeless people? That’s how it works, right?
Congrats you have banned 1% of children from a leisure activity and now require minors to present their genitals to adults of no relation.
1% is a huge overstatement. There’s like 4 in the whole state.
4 trans minors in the entire state? I am doubtful.
if you actually think its a whole 1% then you should probably think about it a bit more.
I love cis people telling me this shit
im not sure what that is supposed to mean, or what relevance that even has to this topic, but you’re welcome i guess.
Can someone explain to me how my state got everything else right for the most part but went stupid for this one?
If that’s an actual question, my guess at an answer is that since this election’s blue wave was more voting against Republicans than for Democrats, it’s not a sign of fundamental change among the electorate. People mostly still believe today what they believed a few years ago (though there’s clear leftward shift), and one of the few genuinely popular things Republicans have is their anti-trans agenda. Therefore when typically Republican-leaning people got to vote on it, they voted against Republicans and simultaneously against trans rights. This is doubly so because trans women in sports is one issue where Republicans can actually make a seemingly rational (but wrong) argument for their case.
Some things lag in politics. Trans kids in sports are the new boogeyman so most people have a hard time accepting the premise. If trans kids are going to be excluded we at least need to focus on education and general acceptance. When I was in high school pretty much nobody was openly gay although I like to think we wouldn’t have treated them like lepers (probably would have). Meeting LGBTQ people in college was common though and a lot of us got over our fears and misconceptions. I’ve met maybe 3-4 trans people in my entire life but in actuality it was probably more because they didn’t feel safe to present as the opposite gender. Unfortunately I think it will take time to get over the initial shock and the best we can do is to try and defend their right to self-determination and encourage them to be who they are so everyone can see this is really no big deal.
Also from a purely propaganda point it’s a great wedge issue, mostly because it’s what I like to call a grey water issue wherein theres a lot of nuance involved so it makes people stupid. Ideally people would stop being stupid and handle this based on an instance by instance basis especially since there are so few trans folks to begin with.
Mind you I know enough about biology to know that it’s a rainbow of fucken grey, because biology abhors easy answers. There’s no such thing as a perfect specimen only a type specimen and even that’s ignoring a lot of variation.
A bit of humor for the time: https://theneedling.com/2026/11/05/girls-finally-safe-now-that-they-have-to-show-adult-their-vagina-to-play-school-sports/
Also fuck Brian Heywood!
I think a lot of the left is being willfully ignorant of other people’s viewpoints and I find it frustrating.
- The vast majority of people voting for this did not know all the content of the bill, “keep boys out of girls sports” is probably the most they heard about it, not the genital checking.
- Plenty of centrists and even right-leaning people are OK with adults doing what they want, but are still very protective of children. Limiting children from hormones is not considered a violation of trans rights for most people; rights have always been segmented by adulthood, the same way a child does not have the right to vote or join the military or get a tattoo. I think a large part of the issue is that the left (or any political ideology) is not really cohesive and is several ontologies in a trench coat; the popular rhetoric (woke version 1 as AOC calls it) from the left has been that gender is a social construct and is divorced from biological sex, if that’s the case then why do trans children need hormones to be their preferred gender? As a fellow leftist I understand everyone experiences gender and it’s relationship to society differently (euphoria vs dysphoria, etc.), but there has been a major nuance gap in public discourse which leaves many Americans feel like the left has pulled a bait and switch on them.
- Society has spent decades promoting girl’s and women’s sports and now feel like that’s being trampled upon by allowing biological males (who have a distinct physical advantage) dominating their space. It’d be like getting rid of weight classifications in power lifting, anyone under 6 feet would never win again and short people would be ousted out of another sport.
A ‘fellow leftist’ biological males-ing? You’re a hoot
Do you deny sexual dimorphic trends within our species? Are there populations of humans where females have more bone density, skeletal structural differences muscle mass, and height than males I haven’t heard about? Would you want all sports desegregated? If males aren’t distinctly different from females why even bother taking hormones to change body morphology at all?
If you can figure out how to ask questions like that, which seem important to you, without exhibiting transmisia then there might be hope for you yet
The voter guide was pretty specific about the invasive checks. Everyone gets the guide.
I live in Seattle I’m well aware of the voter guide, however that does not mean the average voter reads it.
Dominating girls sports? Of course that is nonsense. Meh.
I think it’s worth noting that a human’s genetics chnage based on their environment.
Saying that males have a distinct advantage is entirely too reductive for such a complex topic as human genetics and growth.
Do you have any epigenetic phenomena that specifically applies to sports abilities in the average human? I agree individual cases may vary but it’s hard to deny the vast majority of men out perform the vast majority of women in almost every aspect.
https://runninglevel.com/running-times/5k-times https://strengthorigins.com/strength-standards/powerlifting/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcprxDdAdeE
Unfortunately I can’t disagree with the stupidity of people. I do wish people would look something up rather than assume as the initiative did at least say that “it would require verification of a student’s biological sex.” I guess people didn’t ask the obvious next question of “how?”
I can disagree with the biological male advantage though as it seems you don’t understand how hormones affect a person’s body and how any possible “advantage” is nullified from bone and muscle loss. Regardless, that’s entirely besides the point given that these are children who just want to play together and.not be segregated. Soon we’ll have trans water fountains and such at this rate. I also don’t remember the last time children were weightlifting and powerlifting either.
Proper education and understanding is one of the biggest issues in society. We’re always moving too fast as society intends, so that we’re too tired to think about things, we’ve got bills to pay, and social media primes us to make and stand behind snap judgements.
We really didn’t circulate this ad enough.
Thankfully it should get immediately challenged at the state level based on discrimination since it only applies to girls.
Unfortunately I can’t disagree. I do wish people would look something up rather than assume
You can’t say that, in agreement with someone who said “by allowing biological males (who have a distinct physical advantage)”. If someone had done the former, they’d understand the latter is not a blanket statement you can throw around
You’re right, thank you, I missed that all the way at the bottom. This is what I get for moving too fast.
I agree that voters can be dumb. I definitely don’t agree that people who have muscle and bone loss due to their body changing from hormones would have any kind of biological advantage.
Which is entirely besides the point. Children should be allowed to play with children. I also didn’t know that children were now weightlifting according to that guy. Maybe even competitively too.
Because our hate crime laws are insufficient.
Wow I thought Washington was inclusive
Depends on which side of the mountains
If you look at the map, pretty much the whole state outside of Seattle metro voted for it :(
If you get an explanation, let me know. I’m dumbfounded by this one.
Nearly every other thing I voted on went the way I expected/voted, off the top of my head the only ones that didn’t were a state supreme court race and a local city election.
How did we get the other two state initiatives right but this one wrong??
Serious question: does this explicitly say that the person whose job it is to inspect the genitals of girls cannot touch the girls?
If not, there’s almost certainly going to be a pedo in this position taking advantage of this new rule to touch underage girls’ genitalia
The article says statement from their healthcare provider, so they should be subject to the Hippocratic oath.
History shows that to be very optional
Ain’t nobody got deductible money round here! This is going to quickly turn into the pedoiest doctor around setting up shop in the gym a few times a year, with a perfectly legal “show a little pussy for play” stand where all the girls flash gash for a sticker and a lollipop.
He’ll probably get away with “needing more than a glance” too. As I’m sure “woman” is defined in such a way as to require more than labia.
