So much for the constitution
They’re using weapon printing as the wedge, but this is really about protecting all manufacturers.
This is the thing imo. Come in under “ban ghost guns” but 10 years from now you try to print a new battery door for your remote and get blocked because the design is the property of Samsung.
Fuck Bambu and co, I’ll keep my voron around as long as humanly possible
It’s more about protecting companies like Disney, Nintendo, etc, not replacement parts. 3D printing is rife with copyright infringement, and companies like those would absolutely love a way to block their IP from being printed, or to be able to sue those who do it.
The way I see it, a person can print a company’s IP as long as they’re not trying to sell it.
What are they going to do, sue me for drawing a picture of mario or making kirby out of clay? Printing for personal use is the same concept.
I could see them going after 3D model designers who post stls of their IP. Personally I think if they’re not selling it then it shouldn’t be an issue, but I don’t think the companies would see it that way, and I don’t know exactly where the law stands on it.
This is why they can’t simply pass IP laws, but they’re sneaking it in with the pretense of “protecting the children” (when most school shootings happen with guns that were legally obtained by the shooter or their parents…)
Yeah, I don’t see how this is a problem. I mean people make all kinds of things without 3D printing. Think of a Star Wars stormtrooper set of armor. People have been making those for decades, and selling them, before 3D printers took over some of the work. I’m sure IP is part of the reason companies want to regulate 3D printing, but I’d also be willing to bet that they want to do the same shit they always do - insert themselves in the middle and force you to pay for designs. Whether it’s a Mario bros. minifig or a replacement knob for your clothes dryer.
I already have a modest library of stls on the nvme ssd in my linux laptop, and they can pry those out of my cold dead fingers, along with my 3D printer that works without an internet connection and I will never connect it to the internet or upgrade its firmware.
I’m like racing to purchase all the tech I might need in the next decade or so before they make it impossible to find non-userlocked hardware without a bunch of obligatory backdoors. It sucks because everything is just so unnecessarily expensive now. I wish I had started sooner but I thought I was being financially responsible at the time by not splurging…
Like I have a DMR and an SDR, a raspberry pi, a few different MCUs, some FPGAs and CPLDs, a collection of various electronic components, rechargeable batteries of various kinds, a couple powerbanks and a portable 30W solar panel. A logic probe, multimeter, gauss meter. A kit for an oscilloscope that I haven’t built yet.
Next I want to build a homelab, I’m already working on collecting the things I need for that. I also want to get a higher capacity power bank and a 100W portable solar panel. I want to get a weather station, air quality sensor, geiger counter, etc. I just can’t purchase it all at once.
Meanwhile I also need to install all the software packages I would need, or at least download their package builds so I can install them when I need to. I want to make an archive of several different linux ISOs, a library of game assets from itch.io, etc., as many kiwix libraries as possible, etc. etc. etc.
I have this nagging feeling that the downfall of modern society, supply chains, the classic internet infrastructure, etc., is right around the corner, and it feels like a race against time to prepare everything I would need to establish my own little intranet “island” that I could later mesh with others when the time comes. Which also means learning cybersecurity. Sigh…
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Hate or love Nintendo, you gotta admit Mario Odyssey was a fucking good game; but I’m a sucker for 3D platformers. Personally, I hate Nintendo, but love Mario and Zelda and such, so it’s a complicated relationship for me. Like sleeping with your toxic ex every couple of years and then remembering why you left them.
it was absolutely not, it was a mindless collectathon at best. why are there 700 moons in it but almost none are an actual challenge to get? a video delving deeper into it: https://youtu.be/1X6D39Cd34k?t=3979 (i recommend watching the whole thing (and the previous one https://youtu.be/jQIHqkudgNY) but the timestamp is for mario speciafically)
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Read the room buddy
Meh, half my comments end up negative anyway. I don’t give a fuck anymore
WOULD SOMEBODY THINK OF THE IP HOLDERS!!!
This is so stupid. This is written by people who don’t understand 3D printing. This will catch nothing but fake guns that don’t work because they were printed in one solid piece, it won’t catch all the little pieces that you assemble afterwards.
Shit, now how will I manufacture illegal sex toys and sex toy accessories in a covert, anonymous fashion? Woe is me…
Criminals have easy access to real guns, they won’t bother with printing plastic ones. A terrorist will just go to a place where they don’t monitor to print them.
Even more pointless than DRM on movies.
https://all3dp.com/2/how-to-build-a-3d-printer-from-a-kit-or-from-scratch/
Don’t worry. It won’t be long before possession of an unregistered 3D printer becomes a crime, too.
That seems like a nightmare to set up.
Feels like people casually mocking car registration by pointing to the Hot Rod from Home Improvement.
I mean, sure. It can be done. But I failed to install a water cooling kit in my computer after a very long and harrowing weekend. I’m not fucking with this.
It more like mocking car registration because every neighborhood has a few people who can build you a car from scratch in a day, the city already has several thousand car factories that don’t require registration, there’s no mechanism to enforce registration, and the cost of building a new car is a few hundred dollars. The motivation for requiring registration is also to stop people from driving full speed into fast food restaurants is custom built murder buggys. Yeah, you don’t want people to do that but it’s not like it really happens all that often.
Building a 3d printer from a kit is different from building one from scratch. It’s basically screwing parts together and plugging colored wires into matching slots.
every neighborhood has a few people who can build you a car from scratch in a day
How many cars does the city demand be produced each day? Cause my own city of Houston sees over 380k new cars sold annually.
the city already has several thousand car factories that don’t require registration
Itty bitty ones, sure. And they take weeks to produce a working vehicle, of substandard quality.
there’s no mechanism to enforce registration
Until you get pulled over
the cost of building a new car is a few hundred dollars
A plastic car that can go maybe a few hundred miles before falling apart if it’s made perfectly.
Building a 3d printer from a kit is different from building one from scratch
You can build cars from a kit, too. But I’m not going to do that when I can buy a used Corolla or KIA for couch cushion money and drive it into the ground over the next fifteen years.
I’m not sure honestly sure what your point is, because you went a bit too far with the analogy.
Itty bitty ones, sure. And they take weeks to produce a working vehicle, of substandard quality.
This was about regulating 3d printers, not guns. A diy printer, a new drm printer and an old not-drm printer produce the same quality output.
A diy 3d printer is just as durable as a purchased one.
If your goal is to have an unregistered car, or in this case a drm free printer, the law seems silly when you can get one for cheaper than the “proper” one and have it out together in an afternoon if you have highschool level mechanical aptitude.
I’m not sure honestly sure what your point is
3D printers produce plastic crap.
Okay? What does that have to do with the drm mandate being easy to get around?
Is your point that it’s okay to put unenforceable, easily bypassed restrictions on stuff if you think they’re bad?What does that have to do with the drm mandate being easy to get around?
You can get around the DRM mandate with a bicycle. That doesn’t mean you’ve solved the underlying problem
In case anyone is wondering why something so idiotic: The destruction of 3D printing: Bloomberg is behind it - YouTube
Of course this is not something a rag like the register and a fraudulent “Cybersecurity reporter” Connor Jones would tell you, but instead trying to actively hide from you. Even thought the evidence is right there. They’d rather tell you some stupid story.
This is yet another mad plutocrat meddling in democracy and neoliberalism and pundits providing some nonsense explanation to distract people.
You’d think with a title that says “California just passed a law”, that it would actually be about California passing a law. It still has to go through the senate and then get signed by the governor.
Edit: The bill was passed in the Assembly back in May. This is a nearly 3 month old article.
One of the most common uses for 3d printers is for cosplay props. I wonder if the lawmakers considered how this infringes on the rights of people trying to print prop guns from their favorite video games or anime?
Well it’s not like anyone in California needs lots of props.
I can’t wait for the EU to eagerly adopt this like they do for a lot of these dogshit US decisions.
So now you can be a cyberpunk black market tech peddler for real?
The first thing they need to add to their DRM thing is those flexible dragons that have taken over half the booths at a local comic con. That and The Rock’s head.
Why? They are great.
For a first print, yeah. This is more me bitching about the artist alley of all my local cons being filled with 3D printed garbage than it is an endorsement of terrible DRM practices.
No really what it is is it’s what people want it’s what people like it’s what people enjoy so of course they’re being made. You have to remember only a small percentage of people own 3D printers but a lot of people really like the stuff that’s made from 3D printers. So they’re not being marketed towards you they’re being marketed towards everybody else. And they sell really well.
You’re describing 3D kitsch, not 3D art
I never said 3d art. I said there is a place for these. They were created by artists and some are absolutely amazing.
This was a conversation about artist’s alley which is for, you know, art. Not kitsch slop. And no, the world really doesn’t have a place for more useless plastic garbage.
This feels idiotic?
Oh no, don’t. Firmware can’t be flashed /s
smh
There are devices now that have a SoC that’s completely locked down at the factory, although maybe none are 3D printers. It deserves more attention as the massive threat to digital freedom that it is.
There are devices now that have a SoC that’s completely locked down at the factory, although maybe none are 3D printers.
That has been around for decades. I mean one time programmable microcontrollers has been around since at least the 90s, and probably earlier IDK I didn’t start doing embedded development until the 2000s. I guess devices with readout disabled has been around for about as long. I have no idea how much it is used in 3d printers though.
If you just don’t buy something locked down on a hw level, then because of the tinker tradition in 3d printing, you can relatively easy flash the firmware.
It deserves more attention as the massive threat to digital freedom that it is.
Yes, agreed. My point was on the futility of the law. But the fact of the matter is that the law exists and it shouldn’t from a freedom perspective. This is presented as a DRM issue, not a gun control issue. Should we ban printers because you may print a news article without buying the rights? Should we ban pen and paper because you could use it to infringe on a trademark by drawing it?
That has been around for decades.
TIL! Then it’s interesting that it didn’t get bigger faster, since the idea of locking people into your product isn’t new. Like, Dell could have been doing in 2000 what Samsung is now with it’s phones, and Linux would have been dead in the water.
Edit: Oh right, there weren’t any SoCs yet, at least at full scale. At the very least, you could always get out your probes and flash the ROM that way.
Should we ban printers because you may print a news article without buying the rights? Should we ban pen and paper because you could use it to infringe on a trademark by drawing it?
Of course, history is over, and all governments and corporations are 100% trustworthy. We don’t need to consider that opportunity for evil can’t actually be eliminated, just moved around. /s
OP why are you posting a 3 month old article with no updated information or that needed context that this was in the past? There was a discussion then.
It’s almost like you are trying to upset people again for sport, because reddit broke your brain and you think internet points are important. Almost like that.
I think about this a lot.
Sometimes I learn about news that greatly affects my hobby but then notice it’s like a month old.
And I wonder - so I share it? Do I sit with it? Do others know about it?
Assuming positive intent, OP thought the former.
First time I’ve seen this.
I’d love to know how they expect printer manufacturers to do this, given all they do is read gcode. Do the legislation makers even know what a slicer is?
I went to a CA committee hearing (and I got to meet Louis Rossmann in the process) and I guarantee you the people supporting this bill and the committee voting on it generally have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about.
Serious question: why do they feel like they are qualified to make decisions on it then? Like if I was in that position, I would defer to an expert committee or professional association.
Someone’s “lobbying” them to make this decision.
Also Michael Blomberg has spent over $50M to push for this bill to pass.
