Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) as well

Did that stop leftists from taking power on November 3rd?

The people outweigh the money, as long as we are organized.

The Democratic Socialists of America are seeing a surge in political power over the last few election cycles. The DSA alone now has over 130,000 active, dues paying members.

Why the fuck should we throw that all away now?

We can take over the Democratic party, and in doing so, push the Right-wing Democrats to the Republican party and eliminate the current GOP altogether. There is a future where we permanently shift the Overton Window left.

Y’all want to kneecap progress when we haven’t even gotten started yet.

You expect she would lose because you’re not recognizing the material conditions of the moment.

People want change. People demand change. A progressive president and a supermajority has the potential to do so much good.

And if it doesn’t, the people’s contradictions will get worse and worse to the point they’ll take matters into their own hands.

I’d expect better from my instance. But then again, people of my instance are all anarchists who want to throw away all governments without considering how this would affect normal, working class people. Y’all have no solution for improving people’s lives.

Be socialist instead

I’ll vote for AOC in 2028.

I’m doing it because I believe in her and her policies for improving the material conditions of the working class in USA.

If you can’t bring yourself to vote for her, consider voting AGAINST all of the other stuck up asshats in Congress who think they deserve to have political power.

He’s asexual biromantic

I was meaning authoritarian as in the sense of authority being commonly understood as the legitimate power of a person or group over other people. And my argument was that even communist and anarchist societies will use power over other bad actors inside that society if those bad actors pose as threats to the prevailing political system.

If a bad actor seeks the pain and suffering of others, regardless of their mental health, or even if a bad actor seeks to persuade a society’s peoples away from the prevailing political principles, such as someone advocating for hierarchy in an anarchist society or a capitalist advocating for private property in a communist society, then those societies will still use their power to self preserve those modes of political power.

To the bad actors, those societies will appear authoritarian.

Shouldn’t have just said intruders. Of course self defense isn’t authoritarian. Authoritarianism takes place above and over a society’s own people. I meant to also include internal bad actors like psychopaths, sociopaths, serial killers, rapists, pedophiles, racists, etc. For those criminals within society, it’s still best to remove them from that same society via exile/deportation or take away their rights to punish them then rehabilitate them. Those actions will appear as authoritarian to the bad actors.

Sorry, I should have said intruders as well as internal bad faith actors.

There will still be psychopaths and sociopaths and serial killers and pedophiles in a communist or anarchist society.

Communities will still need to deal with those malignant people, whether by outcasting/exiling/deporting them or inflicting punishment + delivering rehabilitation. Those activities will be authoritarian over the bad actors.

Thanks for sharing this perspective.

As a baby leftist, I don’t want to fall into the traps of others when it comes to heralding the goods of past socialist experiments without criticizing the ills as well.

Nothing is perfect, as you say, and it a materialist socialists’ life long project to see the world clearly for all the material conditions that exist, and have existed up until this point. Idealist socialists and idealist communists will capsize their entire movement, and endlessly make things about purity tests.

All governments are authoritarian at some point. Even anarchist communities theoretically will exert force on intruders by mustering up the people where they are, where they live.

Their point was that there are snakes within our ranks, and we need to root them out. Conservative Democrats need to go

Obama didn’t go far enough, and should have delivered Medicare for All like what was originally promised during the New Deal.

Biden didn’t go far enough in improving infrastructure in this country, and should have deployed the military on US soil to do sweeping infrastructure upgrades across the country while at the same time creating a guaranteed jobs program that trains people for valuable skills that don’t involve killing other humans.

It is wise to assume that Democrats will always half ass progress in this country because they are beholden to the same corporate interests as Republicans. That’s not to say that they won’t full ass some things, especially regarding social liberties like with gay marriage under Obama, but it’s rare and is always a fight. Democrats will never push max left policies, unless Democratic Socialists take office.

Most of the world recognizes that China already owns Taiwan.

The main countries that don’t are USA and Israel

You nailed it