Akktschually… We are around peak glacier meltwater. Imagine the situaton when they are gone. Its the dry winter (less meltwater from snow).

You are right that they use less resources and cause less damage if they don’t work, at least as long as our economical system does not internalize external costs and does not discourage using non-regenerating resources. From that point of view it’s probably better they do nothing worse than being retired. In a better system they would do something beneficial.

I just wanted to oppose the notion that they unlocked the “prosperity” achievement (i.e. we now have prosperity forever thanks to them) through hard work and have deserved to retire at 60.

and let the US take care of our defense (although this applies to the rest of europe, not france).

The known reserves will be gone in ~50 years (at the current rate of usage, which is only 4.3% of the worlds primary energy consumption, if we replace the 75% fossil fuels with nuclear then “poof its gone” ). There will be more but it will get increasingly more difficult to extract it. Extracting Uranium from seawater is still in its laboratory phase and its far from clear it can be done economically. The long term disposal of nuclear waste is still largely unsolved.

We should only retire at 60 after we figured it all out, shouldn’t we?

Generational conflict placard holder here.

And all the productivity gains are based on the abundance of cheap fossil energy. We tell ourselves its based on our ingenuity but thats an obvious lie. Or since it is France also the availability of cheap Uranium. The use of which has no negative consequences and will be available forever. Oh wait…

But lets make sure the coming generations have to feed our lazy asses from the age of 60 onward as a supplemental “fuck you”

You support that plans even after you concluded that i is not possible to pay for without selling France and Europe to Putin?

EDIT: forget what i said. I did read too much into this. You did not say that its only possible by selling France and Europe to Putin.

and always your friend!

The population does not grow in most of the world anymore. Why do we need to improve people’s quality of life all the time? Why don’t we improve the sustainability of the quality we have right now? Because its abysmal and this will (or is it already ?) fuck up everybody’s quality of life for the next 100k years. Resources are limited and unlimited growth is not possible.

i am willing to rent it to you while i dont need it sam

True but the batteries in them still are from china.

its not about their team winning, its about watching the others suffer

No, it does not translate to that (?)

I said that one of two violent groups is largely of migrant background (probably more second and third generation than actual immigrants). And that they are badly integrated and often straight out hostile to French culture and society.

This is because in the reality thing out there that’s the case.

I did not even talk about the reasons you already assume i’m a racist and see it as a direct consequence of the race/culture of the immigrants.

I’m out of here, have fun in your bubble…

Apology accepted.

why are you insulting me? where is the racism in what i said?

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I didn’t say Germany should not have a car industry at all. I said the size the car industry Germany currently has should not be artificially kept up. Of course cars bought in Germany/Europe should be produced in Germany/Europe.

The whole “Exportweltmeister” (export world champion, a term proudly used by Germans for a while) thing was never sustainable. Unfortunately voters think its the Greens/Energy transitions/whatever fault the whole thing comes crashing down now.

(That being said, cars are a waste of resources wherever they are built)

I agree this is the case for defense industry including industries the defense industry needs. But the rest? Why does Germany need such a big car industry in a world where China has learned to build cars (even better ones) themselves (and it was absolutely foreseeable that this would happen) and the US goes full protectionism (ok this one was less foreseeable)? Trying to keep that alive is a waste of resources.

They are evaluation bringing china only models (i.e. models developed and built to be sold in China) to Europe. This has not been done before. The case you are referring to are models built in China which were intended to be sold in Europe from the start, which is not the same.