You were just mentioning illegality as a reason not to use AI, I do not think it is a valid reason so I was combating your point.

The difference between openAI and google is that openAI doesn’t generate money from the free tire while google does.

And you’ve invested appropriately to take advantage of this fact, right? You’ve purchased puts options for AI companies since you “know” their trillion-dollar gambit will ultimately fail, right? After all, if you play your cards right, you’ll be set for life by successfully betting against them.

I really don’t understand what you mean here. If your wondering I haven’t invested in AI.

I do not recall saying any such thing.

Wait if your main argument isn’t that people should stop using AI then what is your argument?

Chinese AI is built on stolen works just like western AI.

Chinese models are open weight so anyone can run them, isn’t this kind of contributing back the kind of thing we should hope for with AI? Also, I’m still not sure how training models on open source code is theft. I don’t agree with the idea of intellectual property which is why I also pirate all my media.

But if you want to lecture others about the (relatively small) environmental impact of AI you can’t ignore the environmental impact of all your other habits can we? But for some reason people here are so adamant about the horrible environmental cost of AI but comparatively silent about everything else.

You can’t legally

I really don’t care about what the law says. What is ethical and what is legal are often complete opposites at this point.

AI companies lose money on there free AI tiers. And we both know there larger business model is not going to work. Being in the moral right by not using corporate software, or telling other people to not use corporate software isn’t actually doing anything. Furthermore many people use Chinese AI models that benefit workers rather than take from them do you have issues with Chinese models?

Of course I support Aaron Swartz and his endeavours to make information free. I also don’t see how using open source projects to build an AI model is theft. Intellectual property just shouldn’t be a thing at all.

Societal collapse is inevitable with or without AI if we let capitalism continue. Also do you know how much AI actually contributes to global warming? There are so many things you could be doing such as not eating meat, not owning a car or using a smaller car and driving it less, organising against capitalism before you consider lecturing people on their AI usage.

Why can’t you just accept that some people feel that they benefit from using AI?

That’s very brave of you. In the meantime other open source developers will continue using AI models that currently exist to benefit their coding were it can.

They definitely have some legitimacy. It really bores me seeing yet another big tech inspired website alongside an empty readme with basically no human made text or AI disclaimer to be seen.

That’s fable 5.1 I said fable 5. Also it seems like the link I sent wasn’t for the benchmark I meant to send. Try to find the one for code rather than agentic work. Qwen 3.8 27B scores 1590 while Claude fable 5 scores 1624 which is a very slim margin considering fable 5 was one of, if not the best model when it was released.

Qwen 3.8 27b is now on par with claud fable 5 acording to this benchmark local llms are only a few months behind frontier models and are capable of many things.

Thank you for doing this for me.

Some people seem to be unable to fathom the fact that AI can be useful in some circumstances, always assuming the worst despite no evidence to suggest it.

People here can’t seam to get past there built in kneejerk reaction to anything AI related.

Most likely very few of them because the code still gets reviewed by humans.

AI will likely decrease the contributors as already seen with AI blowing up some traditional communities.

That’s an interesting problem that I haven’t heard anyone bring up before. I wonder how much of an impact this actually has.

Maybe one day, I would like a scarf.

AI in school is an interesting issue, we can’t discount the fact that there are benefits to using AI in school as well. It needs to be up to countries to regulate usage and educate children on it’s use. Socialist countries seem to be doing a pretty good job at this.

The US’s dumbfuck government almost started a war with China

“sources say” hmm I wonder what those sources are, I’m sure the CNN would never extrapolate information out of nowhere to spread sinophobia and call for AI regulation (which is exactly what AI companies want at the moment.)

Calling something just a tool is whitewashing who’s making it and promoting it and what it’s used for. Stop saying that AI is just a tool and it only matters how it is used

I’m not sure how calling AI a tool is whitewashing. Of course tools don’t exist outside of their material conditions, however, AI has many benefits, it’s just that capitalist economies will always use tools for the detriment of workers. Socialist countries have economies that are orientated to benefit the working class. They recognise the problems that arise from AI and work to fix them while using its benefits as much as possible to liberate workers rather than burden them.

essentially disruption will always keep happening, its how its handled thats the important part.

I do agree. We can look at countries with different economic and political systems to see which ones handle them best. Countries with socialist economic systems are able to use AI for the benefit of workers. While companies with capitalist economic systems use AI at the expense of workers.

Now do it for the planned capacity of every AI data center currently planned or under construction or waiting for compute manufacturing by the big tech monopolists, and the trillions of dollars of labor that they’re telling the world they’ll replace whether the product is capable of it or not.

No you. My statistic still stands, if you would like to provide a different one please do. Maybe it will be 2%.

Your second paragraph is shifting the blame away from capitalism and towards AI. Economic bubbles and mass layoffs are features of capitalism, this is a pattern that has been repeating since capitalism was born. If not AI it would be something else.