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Cake day: January 29th, 2025

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  • This is what AI is for.

    No, this is not what AI is for. This is what dictatorships here and there are turning it into. Or, in a broader context: This is what we human beings do. This is a human mistake that is - in this case - done in the Chinese Communist Party.

    Your ‘link’ is just a form of whataboutism. I provided two other sources that come to the same conclusion, and there are many more that prove China is not a trusted player in AI, very much as it isn’t in all other areas. The fact that the US government isn’t reliable either has nothing to do with.












  • the country that actually is providing solutions to those problems: China

    China heavily depends on fossil fuels to ‘provide solutions to those problems.’ If we rely on China, it gets worse. China is the world’s top emitter of CO2. A third of global emissions is produced in China (second is the US with 12%, India below 8%, while the EU ranks fourth with 6.5%).

    Since 2000, emissions in China have increased by +260%. In the EU emissions the decreased by -30%.

    China’s own five-year plan provides evidence that consumption of fossil fuels in thecountry will rise by 2030.

    I’m dissatisfied with a lot of European politics, but framing China as a solution is complete fantasy. China is worse by any comparable standards. Environmental and social norms exist at best on paper while the ruling Chinese Communis Party’s one and only goal is its self-preservation at all human and ecological costs.













  • The subsidies in China for its companies go well beyond everything we do (or have done ) in the West.

    A good way to observe this is, for example, when we compare Chinese and Western car manufacturers which are producing within China. Even in the country, Chinese car firms receive a lot more direct state aid by all comparative standards. Between 2019 and 2002, Tesla’s reported state aid was 2% of net income, and no grants since 2023 (European car markers’ grants were even lower than Tesla’s), while BYD’s subsidy income were 265 of net income in 2024 and 35% in 2025.

    The gap between Western and Chinese producers is much larger if Western firms produce at home.

    Another way Chinese carmakers lower costs: they ‘outsource’ costs to their suppliers. BYD has even created its own proprietary supply chain finance system called the “D-chain,” through which it issues “e-debt certificates" which means the company stands outside the law (there is a Negotiable Instruments Law in China in principle, but it doesn’t matter to all companies). According to company reports for the years 2023 and 2024, BYD took an average of 155 days to pay suppliers, Geely 149 days, and Leapmotor even 225 days.

    Western carmakers paid their suppliers much sooner - Tesla withing 60 days, Volkswagen in 43 days, and 41 for Toyota in 41 days.

    Chinese companies also benefit from below-market borowings (below the China Prime Loan Rate), and they receive preferential access to cheap land to build their factories (especially if and when there are good connections to the party).

    And this is a TINY sample of what happens. Comparing Western and Chinese subsidies doesn’t make sense. It must clearly be said that under Western subsidy schemes, Chinese carmakers would have long been bankrupt.

    Edit: I didn’t mention that whenever you buy a China-made car (from a Chinese or non-Chinese brand), you risk to buy a car made by forced labour. We must not forget this.